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house that is neither wise nor msnbc headquarters in los angeles, high noon in the stable. >> he's a liar. he lies every single day. he's an admitted is sexual predator. >> we have a responsibility to be ferreting out corruption in wes the executive branch. east nt /* /-. the suspect behind the massacre. this is the most corrupt police want to note where he president of our lifetimes. went and with whom he met. president trump responds. >> you're hearing all these what he said when directly asked comments. are they of these accusations about the rise in white nationalism. new reaction today. actually impeachable offenses. veto power. if so, why wait for mueller the president uses it for the first time, but a lot of report? >> so certainly those republicans have abandoned him accusations could be impeachable offenses. first we need a record. on the national emergency issue. will this be a trend? of i'm on the house judiciary new reports how democrats committee. we have great reporting from are secretly investigating the first daughter. msnbc, people saying things on what are they looking for? i'm going to ask a leading tv, newspaper articles. we don't have a record. congressman that question and we needed to interview witnesses more next. new details on the attacks under oath and get all these documents. on two new zealand mosques but that's why we sent out 81 an australian national. document requests to individuals investigators are looking into and organizations. possible contacts that the once we build this record, we suspect may have made in europe, will then either exonerate asia, and africa. donald trump and his associates officials in turkey and bulgaria or we won't. at that point, we'll have a confirm he visited their countries recently. conversation with the american but the suspect made his first people as to how to proceed.
>> moving onto the president's daughter ivanka and the fact appearance earlier today. 49 people were killed, 36 remain that i believe your committee requested was it 81 sets of hospitalized and 11 of those are documents. >> yes. in intensive care. >> but not directly from ivanka, new zee ladders arable a massive though some 50, 53 i believe memorial in christchurch trying were related to her but nothing to support for the muslim from her directly. tell me what's going on there. community. sarah james is joining us from >> that was their first set of document requests. that is memorial near the we'll have additional sets and based on information we get, she botanic gardens in christchurch. may be included in additional requests. right now, we want to know are sarah, talk about the latest in terms of sentiments in this there crimes committed by donald trump, his family or his investigation. associates. >> like what? >> reporter: well, you see a lot what are you looking ativan ca of signs here and flowers and trump for? there are a lot of the >> we know she went on national statements such as we're with you. tv and she told the american you are us. and expressions of anger at people that her father had nothing-to-do with jared terrorism and hatred and white kushner's security clearance or her own. supremacy. public reporting shows that meantime, the investigation into donald trump ordered jared these crimes is becoming kushner to get a security clearance. i think we want to note also ds increasingly global. the suspected gunman brenton donald trump have a role in her tarrant is an australian citizen security clearance, as well. but he's done a lot of traveling we want to know if she accepted any gifts or improprieties based recently. one of the places he went was
on her position as a senior bulgaria. nbc news confirmed he was in white house official and we'll bulgaria it looks like between see the evidence we get from theth and 15th of last year in these document requests and see 2018. if we need to ask her for that isn't the only place he documents. visited. he went to hungary and turkey. >> do you have plans to bring any of the trump children to and what's happening right now, appear before your committee? alex, there's an increasingly >> it would depend what we get in terms of document requests and interviews with witnesses. international flavor to this i do know some of the trump investigation where security forces in these various countries in places like the u.s., australia, new zealand, children have already testified in other committees. i expect that to continue this year. >> okay. bulgaria, at uae, are talking let's talk about what's been happening in your neck of the and coordinating about exactly woods with regarded to southern what he was doing when he california both usc, ucla, this visited these places and also college cheating, the admissions his contacts in the region. scandal. because there's really some soul ucla is in your direct, correct? >> yes. searching about this global >> how loud has the outcry been nature of white supremacy, the around this subject? far right terrorism that's going >> it's been phenomenally on. and exactly what that's going to depressing. mean for places like here in new actually, when i read the story it made me feel bad for human nature. zealand. that suspect was in a courtroom i can understand if one coach did this but you have multiple today that was a brief visit. he'll be back in april. coaches at multiple universities
and then you have all these meantime, across the tasman sea different sets of parents who were just engaging in straight in his country of birth, up bribery. what they were doing, they knew australia, there was another it was illegal. controversy unfolding today. i believe all these people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. a far right senator from the it does show that the wealthy state of queensland was at a speaking engagement and he had will do anything to have certain made some comments wit in effect advantages into trying to get their children into elite seemed to blame immigrants here colleges. >> i'm a usc alum. in new zealand for the attacks it is painful to see what is while they were peacefully praying in their mosques by a happening to the university. to what extent is the university as a whole do you believe usc, gunman. and he was at a speaking engagement and a teenager with a stanford, ucla, any number of phone came up behind him and schools involved in this, are the schools themselves held smashed an egg into the culpable in some way or is it senator's head. rotten apples on the staff or and senator anning then turned part of the administration? around and seems to have struck >> my hope is all these universities will do internal investigations and put in the teenager. processes to make sure that they this is all being investigated don't get tricked again and they bill police in australia. don't have these scandals separate lit, the prime minister happen. but if you look at their of australia scott morrison is indictment, these folks were saying parliament is going to going way out of their way to trick the admissions offices and censor that senator for his you had this one case at usc comments he's made. where they sort of were
obviously here in new zealand wondering how did this person but also in australia, there is get this slot when it appeared a lot going on today. the kid did not actually play water polo. you had an administrator in on >> to say the least, sara. that's a terrible story about this bribery scandal write a that queensland senator. but that said, they're not alone long e-mail explain how he there in new zealand and played water polo in europe and all these other clubs. australia. we'll see you again next hour. it was a widespread bribery as i was saying here in the scheme and thewere tricking u.s., the new zealand attack admissions offices. renewing debate over our hopefully they'll make sure this president's rhetoric after the doesn't happen again. >> this is sad any way you look massacre, the president tweeted about it and spoke with the new at it. ted lieu, you put a smile on my zealand prime minister offering u.s. assistance. face. then at a press conference thank you. >> on the campaign trail, is announcing his first candidates visiting key states presidential veto, he downplayed today. the threat of white nationalism. there is resentment over beto o'rourke from members of his own party next. o'rourke from membern >> white nationalism is a rising party next threat around the world. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job >> i don't really. from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? i think it's a small group of people that will have very, very flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, serious problems. including nasal congestion, i guess if you look at what which most pills don't. happened in new zealand, perhaps and all from a gentle mist that's a case. you can barely feel. i don't know enough about it flonase sensimist. yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible
thing, terrible thing. >> let's bring in democratic congressman ted lieu of california, a member of the judiciary and foreign affairs committee. good to see you here in person across from me. >> thank you. >> your reaction to what the president just said about white nationalism is what? >> disappointing that donald trump once again is trying to downplay the threat of white nationalism and white supremacy. we saw this happen during charlottesville when he said there are fine people on both sides. this and even this.hark, i deep clean messes like this. we know it's factually but i don't have to clean this, incorrect. according to the southern poverty law center, in the last because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, while i clean. three years of obama's - [announcer] shark, presidency, hate groups the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. declined. now we have a 30% increases in white supremacy and hate groups openturning 50 opens theuard. door to a lot of new things... that correspond with trump's like now your doctor may be talking to you presidency. it's unfortunate he's refusing to acknowledge the reality. about screening for colon cancer. >> another comment made by luckily there's me, cologuard. the noninvasive test you use at home. kirsten gillibrand of new york said this is not normal and we it all starts when your doctor orders me. have to do better. then it's as easy as get, go, gone.
is the president with his rhetoric somewhat normalizing you get me when i'm delivered... it? he's the most powerful person in right to your front door and in the privacy of your own home. the world. >> he's sure trying to. there's no prep or special diet needed. everyone else is trying to not norm it willize this. you just go to the bathroom, to collect your sample. we also know that it's beyond just not norm. after that, i'm gone, these are actual threats that shipped to the lab for dna testing could harm and injure and kill that finds colon cancer and precancer. people. we know based on data there's cologuard is not right for everyone. been a 17% increase in hate it is not for high risk individuals, including those with a history of colon cancer or precancer. crimes in 2017. much of that is a rise in ibd, certain hereditary cancer syndromes, anti-sympathetic hate crimes and we need the president of the or a family history of colon cancer. united states to acknowledge this new reality. maybe i'll be at your door soon! >> take a listen also to senator ask your doctor if cologuard is right for you. blummen that will. take a listen to that. covered by medicare and most major insurers. >> the president has defied constitutional norms and principles in declaring a national emergency. words have consequences like saying we have an invasion on our border. and talking about people as though they were different in some fatal way. i think the public discourse from the president on down is a
factor in some of these actions. >> democrats are speaking one way. republicans may offer another position. but ultimately, is it fair tore link the president specifically to this new zooe zealand attack? i found a companyeans to who believes in me.rt. >> i don't think tuck link a they look out for me. person's words and rhetoric to and they help me grow my career. specific incidents because that at comcast it's my job to constantly monitor our network, is person already held responsible for their own actions. prevent problems, and to help however, donald trump did run a provide the most reliable service possible. dee divisive campaign to get the presidency where he wanted to my name is tanya, divide america. i work at the network operations center for comcast. he's now governing in a way where he's trying to divide us we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. rather than unify us. certainly he creates an atmosphere where hate crimes seem to be more allowed and that is something that we needed to shut down as fast as we can. >> the veto, the president having made his first veto now. this on the ruling from the national emergency issue. what are going to be some of the legal challenges to this or has the president won on the issue?
>> the significance is not the veto. we always expected he would veto the legislation. the significance is bipartisan ma juror ofz both houses of congress got the legislation to his desk and rebuked the president. that helps our court case because i don't see how a court can interpret the congressional next battle, 2020. law as somehow authorizing a national emergency when we just it's a saturday on the stuff for told him no, do not authorize at least six of the declared this because there is no democratic presidential candidates, three of whom are national emergency. >> but if there's a court case, barnstorming in iowa. that means time which also sort o'rourke, cory booker, and amy of belabors the explanation of the word emergency and we've klobuchar there. jayince klee and kristin discussed that before. but where does this go? gillibrand are concentrating on does this put everything in a new hampshire today. bernie sanders holds a rally in small process right now? nevada whose caucuses will >> it would depend if the courts follow both iowa and new issue an injunction, stopping hampshire in february. and vaughn hillyard is the man. this national emergency, then time would be on the side of he's the man in iowa to break those who believe there is no down what the candidates there national emergency. have been doing. if they allow this to continue he's been crisscrossing that pending appeals, then the time state for the better part of two would be on the president's the months through all kinds of side. it depends how the courts weather. a virtual snowman at times. determine the first case. >> let's move on to impeachment. looks good today. you have said you agree with the talk about the candidates today. >> reporter: we're getting
speaker's impeachment comment better today. that he's "just not worth it," >> i'm glad. what's going on there? but there are a lot of >> reporter: beto o'rourke this congressional members on your side of the aisle who disagree. morning, beto is -- it was 35 notably representative tlaib degrees but cold enough for a disagreed. your thoughts on this issue. couple deep breaths. your colleagues have said a lot beto o'rourke ran a 5k, 3.2 of things about the president miles ran it for facts sake in recently. let's put together a group of about 25 minutes. sound bites. take a listen. we tailed him as he was going along on his run there. >> we have seen real threats to he was running along one side the rule of law from this whi ts one gentleman who finally they got to the politics. the man clearly had no idea who obstructing justice. >> the president ithe white he was and asked him which party he was. bet tote said democrat. he said i just ran for senate in texas. that's a lot of the sentiments you hear. he's going to be making a couple other stops here today including a house party in due buick. you mentioned amy klobuchar is here, cory booker is here. by the toe o'rourke has an advantage here, alex, in iowa because he doesn't have a day job. cory booker and amy klobuchar
have to go back to dc as well as their home states often. beto o'rourke will be able to spend time on the ground. tomorrow he's visiting wisconsin up in madison. and actually, the other one point i wanted to make, beto o'rourke has been receiving criticism for a lack of specifics when it comes to policy prescriptions. but to note, just after this race within a minute here, he was taking questions from folks here in north liberty, iowa, about health care and other issues and making himself available to the press and folks in iowa and getting more into ideas of who how he can fix health care and climate change issues. i think that's something you're going to be seeing and a lot of people are calling on him to do. he's got a little rhetoric in a lot of unifying messaging. when 2 com
when it comes to specifics, what does he have to offer. >> joining me now jacqueline allemane and pam levy, reporter for mother jones. jackie, you first. you write about the resentment that is surrounding beto o'rourke's announcement by members of his own party. what's that about. >> so when beto announced last week, there were a handful of texas democrats, a mix of local officials, activists and lawmakers who offered a aid proverbial eye roll out plan that he was going to iowa to campaign for a state senator. there were a few people who pointed out to me that he didn't do much campaigning for state senators and including ray lopez who was running in a special election just this week. and so there was actually one local activist trish florence who volunteered for beto and
spoke glowingly about him that he's a special person. knocked on doors for him throughout his senate campaign against ted cruz but she said he notably didn't play well with others. the one case that many people pointed out to me was that of gina ortiz jones. she ultimately lost against will herd by 900 votes and beto noticeably refused to endorse her and campaign for her saying he didn't want to be an opponent to hurd who was his colleague and a friend. and so i think there was a lot of underlying resentment that he didn't support the democratic party to the full extent that he could. i think what a few people are now concerned about especially going into 2020 with a really competitive race against john cornyn in the senate, we don't know the who is running against him yet, but beto isn't necessarily going to capitalize on the energy he's garnering
nationally and help texas flip to blue which is what a lot of people are hoping for and encouraging him to do so because he has a fantastic opportunity in their minds. >> so people hoping he takes aside his personal aspirations and maybe the better of the party at this point. that sounds like part of the criticism. >> pema, so he's joined a pretty crowded field of democrats for presidency. any sense of a frontrunner at this early stage? >> look you can look at the poll polls these days and folks with the highest name recognition, joe biden and bernie sanders, they're basically pulling ahead right now. those polls are fairly meaningless. i think it's a wide open field here. you know, beto i think is going to be a formidable opponent. you never know what happens at this early stage. people that seem to be soaring at one point and at the bottom by the time of the iowa
caucuses. he is someone than demonstrated a lot off political talent. to the point jacqueline was making, what's interesting about him is he's running on this message of unifying. he sort of wants to be channel this obamaesque unite, we're better than this, we're red and we're blue. but the reality of politics here is that democrats want to win and want to win the senate and want to hold the house and win the presidency. i think there's a conflict for him between his brand of i'm going to unite people. you might be an independent or republican, but you can vote for me. you can trust me. and then the poll of the party which is that you can only get the things done you want to get done if the democrats win. that's an internal struggle for him and the party, as well. >> let's move to the president's veto. we had nancy pelosi influencing on friday that the chamber is definitely going to take this up in terms of vote to try to override the president's veto of a border wall resolution.
trump wielded his first presidential veto by doing this after 12 republicans joined the senate democrats to block his emergency declaration. here's what the president had to say on that. >> they were doing what they have to do. look, i put no pressure on anybody. i said i could have gotten some of them to come along. i said the i want you to vote your heart, i'm not putting any pressure. i'll let them know when there's pressure. when i need your vote, i didn't need their vote because we all knew it was going to be a veto and they are not able to override. >> jacque, why do you think these 12 republicans decided to break with the president and are there any political implications as a result of that? >> first of all, that's a bit of revisionist history from the president. he applied a lot of pressure essentially functioning as his own whip calling senators directly and saying there would be consequences if they voted against the wall, if they
supported this termination resolution. >> what you're saying is the president didn't want to lose and now that he lost. >> exactly. >> -- he's trying to revise actually what went down? >> yes, and he tweeted so much, as well saying if you vote against this, you are voting against me and you're voting against border security and against speaker pelosi. it was effective to some extent. you saw thom tillis do a 180. he will wrote an op-ed why he was against a national emergency and there were a number of conservatives in the state who said they were going to primary him which is why he ultimately changed his mind. i think at the end of the day, the sentiment i got from talking to senators and staffers over the past few months is that there was also this discrepancy between the white house and the hill about you know, is the president on constitutional grounds here tore basically essentially rip the appropriating powers from
congress to appropriate himself. you know, one staffer specifically told me if we do not protect these powers why were we elected. i'm keeping an eye on this week even those who supported the president still want to the reform the national emergency declaration act. >> what about you, pema is? is the president right there won't be an override. >> the senate in particular i doubt will vote to override it. given setting the record straight, the amount of pressure that the president and his supporters did actually apply to squashing this bill you know, the fact that he lost 129 republican senators is pretty exnary. i think that will go a long way. i think it reflects the national mood. there are a number of polls that
show that a majority of americans don't support this resolution. so i think that you know, ultimately i doubt that the veto will be overridden. i think it will move over to the courts. the courts will be in a position to look at what congress did this week and try to understand you know, how that plays into what the president did and you know, the various branches of government. >> pema, jackie, good to see you both. fallout from the college admission scandal. is the tough questions universities are facing. how much are they to blamele? blchings /* blchings /*
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new legal problems for the dozens of people facing charges over a massive college admission scandal including lori loughlin and felicity hoffman. thousands of people may be able to join a class action lawsuit against some of the country's top schools. all this comes as usc rescinded several students' admission and georgetown university ordered an investigation of how sets athletic program recruits students. with me now is chris cantana wrote this article about how colleges can fix the admissions
process. sounds like a tall order. first up, what was your reaction when you first heard about the scandal. >> i was floored by it when i saw it, i got the alert from nbc and watching it as it came in. i couldn't comprehend how big it was initially and how brazen it was. when we saw celebrities were involved, i knew immediately it was requestigoing was to be a m story. >> let's take a look, this guy singer was explaining to all those with whom he worked, there are different ways to get into the schools. there's the front door on merit, the backdoor you get in by massive financial donations. if your family's last name is adorning the top of a building, you probably will get into the school. then you've got the side door. nbc news has a think piece that focuses ones this had saying on average, research shows the children of alumni receive the equivalent of a 160-point boost
on the s.a.t. out of a possible 1600 points. college officials wrinkles telling journalist daniel goldin, 20 10gs study of legacy preferences that the boost provided to alumni who donate is substantially larger than an lum nile who do not donate. that's another problem there. i mean. >> correct. >> when you talk about writing how to fix this problem, where does one begin? >> the experts are kind of conflicted. part of the challenge is it's not no one agrees what the problem is. colleges and universities will say that there is some kind of problem and they are trying to get more diverse students into the door. but they're not really surely, there's a lot of discussion about how to do that, right? so that's part of the challenge is just defining is the actual problem and the way that these things work. the other thing to keep in mind the colleges have said that they were the victims in this scandal. so that's another important
thing to keep in mind. >> yeah. i was asking ted lieu about that and the fact that maybe the universities as a whole didn't necessarily know but there were individuals employed by the university who were going along with this. i'm curious about students, those whose parents are implicated. lori loughlin's two daughters reported lid withdrawn from usc. what about the rest of the students affected? >> it's not clear what's going to happen. the universities have autonomy. they decide what they're going to do with this. the federal authorities said that, as well in their initial press conference about this. it's not entirely clear what happens next. i imagine it's going to be a tricky place to be as a students. a lot of instagram and social media accounts associated with some students were trolled pretty thoroughly in the wake of this news. >> you can imagine. chris quintana, keep writing about this. thank you. >> thank you very much. betting on president trump's
impeachment. the odds are dropping on the prediction market. but a "time" magazine cover story asks, would democrats dare? why democrats will likely impeach the president. we're going to explore what would convince the house speaker to go along with that. would convince the house speaker to go along with that. rywhere meet o, that's good! frozen pizza one third of our classic crust is made with cauliflower but that's not stopping anyone o, that's good!
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when she told is the "washington post" "the impeachment is so did i visive to the country, unless there's something so compelling and bipartisan, i don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country and he's just not worth it." on thursday, she tried to clarify those remarks. let's take a look. >> if the mueller report comes back with information, i don't think we should impeach a president for political reasons and should not impeach a president for political reasons. you have to be ironclad. we'll see where that takes us. >> joining me now is tom sapphire, billionaire founder of the need to impeach campaign, also a climate change activist. tom, always good to have you on the broadcast. net there are a lot of democrats pushing for impeachment that would include yourself. they've expressed concern over nancy pelosi's remarks there. others have said, hang on. maybe she's just buying time to build a stronger case for impeachment. that last statement, what do you
make of that interpretation? you want all your ducks in a row before you pursue impeachment. >> that's absolutely true, alex. but i think that the key point here is that this is about getting the information out publicly to the american people. and doing the right thing. and i think what people reacted to in speaker pelosi's first comment had to do with partly the word bipartisan that in effect, instead of saying we're going to get the evidence to the american people, we're going to examine it and we're going to do the right thing, she was saying this is a political process and we need permission from republicans to do it. and i think that's what people were pushing back on, that somehow this wasn't a question of right and wrong. and holding the president accountable for his crimes. but it was somehow an inside the beltway question about how they were going to figure out things themselves without letting the
american people into the process and without letting the american people have a voice. >> but don't you think there's at least in the realm of possibility bipartisan support of this? look how many senate republicans broke with the president on his national emergency declaration? >> i think it's possible and overwhelmingly likely because i think if you get the information to the american people about what, how many crimes, how much corruption there is in this administration and in this president, that the american people already demand he be removed from office and that means democrats, republicans, and independents. i think that the people in washington when their presidents demand he be removed will respond regardless of which party they're in. >> speaking of constituents, you have like 7.5 million people who signed on to your need to impeach campaign. at this stage, tom, if there is
not bipartisan support, what is your campaign's end goal? what next steps do you have planned? >> i think what we're looking for is for the information to get to the american people. because what we've seen is, we've polled this had, alex. believe me, we've asked people what would you do if we could show you that the president obstructed justice? if we just show that simple fact which we all know he did that nancy pelosi knows that he did, that all the republicans in d.c. know that he did, then two-thirds of americans including about 30% of republicans are like, get him out of office. this is a question of getting the information to the american people and if in fact, they show that he's done what he's accused of doing, which he has done, then the american people across the board are going to demand he be removed. >> so you have to be heartened by the vote in the house to get the mueller report out to the public, right? >> absolutely.
look, i think there were a number of times this week where republicans started to go against this lawless president. and what we're counting on, really, what we want is for americans to put america first. that's all we want. we want democrats to put america first, we want republicans to put america first. this is a question the american people are absolutely insistent that the people in d.c. start doing the right thing and stop playing political games. >> okay. 2020, 13 democrats now in the race. but not one tom steyer. do you have any regrets about your decision not to run? >> no, i think what i'm doing i'm probably -- i've been working on this for a year and a half before i made that decision. i felt like i want to finish the job. i want to do what's right here. and i think that's what i'm doing right now. so i don't have any qualms.
you said aid 13 people and we know there are several more to come, alex. >> uh-huh. >> the field is not full yet. >> among them, potentially independent howard schultz if he doesn't see what he likes which is a centrist democrat rising to the top of the field. how do you read that rosspect? >> gosh, i don't really take it seriously. i look at -- >> you don't think he's going to run. >> i don't think it matters very much. i don't think he is saying anything that is going to resonate with the american people. i don't think he has -- as far as i can tell, he really needs to go back and spend a lot more time thinking about these issues before he's going to have -- i think this is about message. what counts is do you have something to say what it means to be an american and where america should be going. that's the question. and i've listened to him and didn't hear anything that answered those questions. >> have you heard from one person in particular what it means to be america and where
we're going? have you decided to throw your support behind yet? >> we have a huge democratic field as you mentioned. there are several more really high visibility people, candidates who are going to get in the race. i think the thing to do is listen to hear what they have to say. not just what do they say but how do they prioritize it. you mentioned someone who is worried about climate and environmental justice that we do wri right by the people of americaing in terms of preserving this land for generations to come so they can live. it's not a question of saying i believe that, too. the question is where do you prioritize it, how important is that to you? in regards to you at other things that are important. so you know, i'm listening to see what people have done in the past, have they walked the walk? and when they say i'm in favor of this, okay, is that your 19th issue or your first issue?
you've got to hold them to that one because it is really matters >> we're like minded on that front. it's good to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. demanding documents. up next, what congress wants from the president by monday and why ivanka is now a target for investigators. why ivanka is now a target for investigorats. i don't keep track of regrets. i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on, is staying happy and healthy. so, i add protein, vitamins and minerals to my diet with boost®. boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. the upside- i'm just getting started. boost® high protein be up for life. you're smart,eat you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar.
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now to the nearing deadline on those document requests by the house judiciary committee. the documents from 81 individuals and organizations linked to president trump are due monday. and committee chairman jerry nadler says only about half will be completed. that could set the stage for a subpoena fight over the others. what's more, ivan cal trump is a key focal point of the requests accordings to "the new york times" of the 81 document requests sent, 52 individuals and organizations were asked to turn over documents related to miss trump or her business interests. let's bring in jonathan alter, columnist for "the daily beast" and political analyst. reen nan shaw, rick tyler, msnbc little analyst. jonathan, 52 requests related to ivanka trump, none sent to her directly. talk about the strategy behind
that. >> so the thing to understand is that the mueller report is focused on russian intrusion in the election. a lot of these other investigations are focused on something that we now kind of take for granted but is really unusual in american history which is the inner section of the business interests of the first family and the government. that is trouble. it's a source, it's a fertile source of corruption. they're going to take a very, very close look at where ivanka trump had that intersection where she was doing business for the trump organization that related to business that she was doing for government and she was often doing government business on her private e-mail which is something that, of course, they accused hillary clinton of and now they know that it was done repeatedly by ivanka trump. she's acknowledged as much. >> yeah. i mean never has the american
public had to hear the phrase emoluments clause and that sort of thing so much as the last couple of years. rick, this roundabout approach, does it make a defense harder for the white house? what do you think it's building towards? >> this is an extraordinary balance between the legislative branch which has oversight and investigatory power has oversigd investigatory powe and i think these investigations want to do this in a careful way. people have a right to know whether their president is compromised or has interests or owes debt to a foreign power. when you are already in that situation and you hire your son-in-law and your daughter who have no experience in government and have no foreign policy experience and give them a portfolio that's far beyond their qualifications, you begin
to wonder whether they're actually doing the president's business or the people's businessors whether they're doing their own business. and i think the people have the right to know that. >> how worried do you think the white house should be about this? >> they are not very worried because they are so sure of themselves. because of ivanka's carefully curated iblg. she's been savvy in her outreach to congressional republicans and she's her father's chosen child. she's been protected over and over again it seems. and i think she enjoys privilege that's not only true within the white house but in society and media in general. she is a woman that seems to be protected over and over and i think we see that in the investigative probes around trump. it's almost just takes us back to the question of how much is this still about politics and how much of it is about policy and donald trump's actions and the legal questions surrounding them. i think ivanka is safe for the time being. frankly, because democrats are
not going to go after her. >> i'm not sure i agree with that. ivanka crossed a line in the last week. the lying that her father's engaged in as we all know has turned out to be contagious so she flat out lied when she said she didn't know anything about why she got a security clearance and why her husband got a security clearance. that wasn't true. and one of the things that's become clear in the last couple years is while trump as president gets away with lying, a lot of the people around him don't. now, did she lie under oath in that case? no, not that we know of. but now that democrats understand that she's a liar too, i think there are going to be consequences for her. >> i do want to get to something with rick though real quickly. i've got to get to republican defections in the vote against the trump national emergency declaration. do you think that is a one off, rick, or do you think it's a
sign of is the tenor of things to come? >> hopefully it's a sign of the tenor of things to come. i don't agree with the president's emergency declaration. i don't believe it's outside of his constitutional bounds even though it allocates money the congress an appropriatiatatappr. the president may win this case if it goes to a court. but i don't think they're going to overrule him on this, no. >> do you really think the president is going to retaliate against these 12 and others? he said i do have the option of a veto and don't need their votes. should they worry? >> if characteristic of trump, absolutely. trump loves to count his enemies and keeps them on a very short list and i think by his bedside table because that's what he cares about. he cares about the people hole go after him. he takes it very personally. while this veto fight i believe
is very much over because let's be honest, it won't make its way out of the senate. the house is going to override the veto. the 12 republicans were blowing it up. that's not leader isship. these guys and women care about their re-election. that's true for all the republicans in the senate. that's where we're at. >> okay. >> it's pathetic. the republicans two weeks ago said that they were you know, going to vote against the president and then i don't know if he stood them up in front of an open grave and said he's going to push politically if they didn't change their minds. >> he will. >> ben sasse, thom tillis, cory gardner have a lot to answer for. they think they're protecting themselves in their primaries but they could be knocked off in the general election for having no principles and for reversing themselves. they know better and they're going to pay long-term. >> i bet they're going to hear you loud and clear. jonathan, rina, rick, thank you so much. >> happy birthday to your dad.
zealand. what police want to know about a mills tierious trip to europe and hossa when he was there. inside house democrats under the radar request the to investigate ivanka and what they're trying to find out. majors fallout from a college admissions scandal that landed two big names in trouble with the law and why more charges could be on the way. grounded, and maybe not for long. what could put the boeing plane involved in several crashes back in the skies. we begin this hour with the latest on the new zealand mosque attacks. the suspect an australian national made his first appearance nrs court today. he's been charged with murder. 49 people were killed in the attack. 36 remain hospitalized. 11 remain in intensive care. officials say the suspect traveled to turkey, bulgaria, and possibly countries in both asia and africa. a memorial to the victims is growing in christchurch where one mourner stepped in to perform a traditional tribal war
dance. sara james is right near the memorial. what are you seeing there today this evening? >> reporter: alex, we're seeing expressions of sympathy, anger, frustration, and most of all, grief from people here in new zealand. they're leaving flowers, hearts, teddy bears and notes talking about you are us. you are part of new zealand. and really expressing outrage at the anger the white supremacy and the terrorism that was behind this attack. meantime, there's going to be a news conference here from the police. that's going to be in about three hours from now. and we're hoping to know more what else they can tell us about the suspects gunman, brenton tarrant and also they have two other people in custody. we don't know the too much about them at this moment. we hope to know more about what, if anything, they can tell us about those other two people in
custody. the investigation into brenton tarrant is something that's going in a worldwide direction. for example, they have, we have heard nbc news confirmed that bulgarian officials had brent condition tarrant on their radar. he made a trip there to visit some historic sites. that was in november of last year. and from there, he went on to places like hungary, serbia, so intelligence agencies in bulgaria also ones in the united states, the united arab emirates, new zealand and australia all are looking into this as they look at the kind of tentacles of far right white supremacy and what that means and what was hanning so they can try to understand better what took place here leading to the attacks on these two mosques. meantime, tempers are flaring across over in australia and, of course, brenton tarrant is an australian citizen. there had was a situation today
involving a senator, a far right senator in australia, faster anning. he had already courted controversy with things like attending a far right rally where kneeio nazis were present a few months ago and made comments which seemed to lay blame for the terrorist attacks on the immigrants and muslims in the community. that's drawing fire from the prime minister of australia. he is facing censure in parliament. it also caused a more immediate effect. a teenager smashed an egg into the senator's head when he was speaking and the senator turned around and hit him. and this is all now being investigated by police in australia. so on many levels i think you can see alex, that there is a lot of tension as people try to deal here in new zealand but also elsewhere with the many impacts of what has occurred
here. alex? >> yeah, we were watching that australia tag as you were talking about. extraordinary. it's hard to make sense of such senseless violence in so many ways. sara james, thank you so much. here in the u.s., the new zealand attack is renewing comments over president trump's comments. he downplayed the threat of white nationalism. >> you see today the rising threat around the world of white nationalism. >> i don't really. it's a small group of people with very, very serious problems. i guess if you look add what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person. and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible thing, terrible thing. >> the southern poverty law center reports white nationalist groups in the united states increased by 50% last year and the total number of hate groups surged by 7%. meanwhile, democrats calculating
their next move after the president signed his first veto. 12 republican senators broke ranks and joined democrats voting to stop the president's emergency declaration. the president saying he has a "duty to reit toe that resolution." >> people hate the word invasion but it's an invasion of drugs and criminals and people. i was elected on a very -- by a very, very great group of american people. millions and millions of people because they want security for our country. and that's what we're going to have. >> house speaker nancy pelosi announced the house will hold an override ride vote on march 26th after congress returns from recess. it is unlikely to reach the two-thirds required in each chamber. joining me now peter baker, chief white house correspondent at "the new york times" and political analyst. let's get into it here, peter. before i get to the veto, i want to ask you about the new zealand
incident. how do you interpret the president's response and just the white house responses in general to this? >> well, of course, this touches on a sensitive area for this president. remember, his reaction to charlottesville remains a sore point for a lot of americans. his comparison to people on both sides. you know, his followers and some of his more extreme followers have been on the fringes of american society. i think that the idea of acknowledging that white nationalism is on the rice to him would seem like acknowledging he somehow is responsible for somehow involved or profiting from it. that's why you see him saying t just fringe elements from time to time. has nothing to do with me or the larger trends in society. >> yeah, deflecting in other words. so peter, jonathan allen writes some republicans view the president's veto fight with
republicans as a good thing as he heads into 2020. you have matt schlapp, a trump ally, chairman of the american conservative union quoted as saying they gave him a gift, the president is at his strongest when he is fighting and seen as credible when he is fighting members of his own party. do you see this as spin on their part? is there any upside to this rebuke by republicans. >> if all republicans backed him on the vote, the line would have been this shows how strong he is within his own party, how he's a strong president. whatever reaction, whatever result was going to be, they would spin it as being advantageous to him. it is true he is seen as an outsider in washington by supporters and that the idea that he comes here to disrupt things including sometimes both parties largely is something that at least his base wants him to do. but you know, there's a downside to that. at some point, it becomes dangerous to a president if you start to lose your own party not
just once, twice, but three times this week alone on the yemen vote on the mueller report vote in the house, and of course, at some point, republicans begin to see there's no real cost to standing up to him. they're freer to do it in the future, as well on votes that might be more meaningful to him. in terms of getting anything done from congressry is problematic already this year, it does have an impact. >> do you thip this defection is bolstering more republicans to break with the president? >> we'll see. this was a bit of a safe vote for the republicans to break from the president because they knew he would veto it. they didn't have a choice but to call it so it had to come to a vote. they're pretty confident if not all but assured that it will die in the house and his veto will be upheld. it was sort of a very safe moment for republicans who wanted to put distance between them and the president to do soles because they weren't
making a substantive impact whether this would go forward. whether that comes up in the courts as an intent of congress issue stills remains to be seen but it's not like they were passing a law that was going to be overridden by him. for the president, in 2020, he's going to have to make a pitch to voters why he did or didn't get things done. so you know, for him this notion of being an outsider for two years, the same party as the president controlled both chambers of congress. they still have the senate. so to continue to make this argument your agenda isn't moving forward because of congressional obstruction, the more times his party breaks with him, it's harder to make the argument it's because of someone else and not what he's pushing for. >> let's talk about impeachment with you, peter. you write about house speaker nancy pelosi's change in tune when it comes to impeaching the president. what's behind the shift? >> look, she's do math. the math is right now there is
no impeachment that's going to succeed in removing the president unless 20 republican senators at a minimum decide to break with him. she saul 12 break with him on a mooter of constitutional disagreement. but would 20 break with him on moving from office at the moment? it doesn't look like there's a likelihood that's going to change. robert mueller hasn't come back with his report yet. he may know a lot more than we do. if he changes the dynamic, you can be sure she will change her position on that. she said unless there is something compelling and bipartisan, there was nos point in going down the road toward impeachment. the question is, does the republican party ever change its mind about donald trump. they don't love him in the congress. republicanss there are not his best friends but don't like about to break with him on something as important as impeachment. she's trying to be realistic and lower expectations among the liberal base for action against the president. >> i'm curious, tal, last night
i heard if the mueller report comes backing with enough evidence and implications of the president, it's a completely different conversation at that point. republicans will have to get on board. do you agree? >> well, you know, i don't know what republicans will have to do. i asked a lot of democrats in the house after these comments came out from nancy pelosi some of whom have been rabble-rousers. most of them downplayed the signatur significance of her remarks. they're not going to rush into anything unless they feel like it's compelling. they were fairly comfortable where she is on this. i don't think there'sness way to view any of these discussions outside of a political contest. both parties are looking ahead to 2020. the campaign has more than already begun. so they're thinking nancy pelosi is a tactician and thinks about policy but also thinks about how it's going to play at home.
she keeps saying health care, paychecks. those are the issues she wants to be talking about. a lot of what she's doing is taking the heat off a little bit and making it seem like democrats aren't just focused on removing the president but actually on the issues leaving themselves space for when there's a compelling political argument to be made, then they can go back to that place. >> what about the ivanka trump issue, peter? i want to get with you, peter, on that she was absent from the document request to 80 plus individuals all linked to the president. as your colleague reports, democrats are quietly looking into the documents related to her business interests. what do we know about that? >> yeah, that's a great point. annie carney went back through the 82 or 81 requests that the house judiciary committee issues and discovered that basically about 52 of them included some requests for documents involving ivanka trump. while ivanka was not one of the
targets of the document request, most of the people targeted were asked what have you got that might tell us something about her finances, her interactions with for governments. she kept her business just like jared did after come together white house. and if they were to have received money in some way or profits from foreign business while in the whourks there would be an issue with regard to the emoluments clause. the constitution says federal officials should not take money from foreign interests. that's part of what's going on. i don't think they want to look like they're going after the president's daughter in a frontal way because it might backlash politically. they're clearly trolling for information to see if there's anythinging there to look at. >> tal kopan, peter baker, thank you. how president trump is dismissing his own administration by downplaying the rise of white nationalism. a former fbi expert joins me next. a former fbi expert joins e next ♪
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primary is 11 months away. voters are getting an early look at potential candidates this weekend. new york senator kirstjen guail brand and jay inslee are in the granite state. seth molt on in new hampshire. they're exploring potential bids. let's go to alley vitale trailing several contenders. it's a busy time for you.
what's going on in the granite state in the. >> reporter: we're going to try to make it to events for all candidates today. we have spent time with kirstjen gillibrand and jay inslee both. we came from a house party for inklee. jay inslee, governor of washington state is making climate change not just a priority in his campaign but his top priority. if you talk to his aides, that's his differentiating factor in this field. what's fascinating to me is that matches what i'm hearing from voters here in new hampshire and across the country who say they really want a candidate who is going to have a substantive answer to how to defeat climate change. that is potentially jay inslee. that's the pitch he's trying to make. within that, he's trying to branch out to be someone who can counter donald trump. he points frequently to this fact he's one confident first ger governors to go against trump's
muslim ban. he's speaking out against the muslim attacks. >> if you're concerned about arson, you should probably be against a guy who spreads gasoline on the floor of a church. or a mosque. or a synagogue. and then hands out matches i was the first governor hon stood up against his muslim ban. i understand how pernicious this man is in fanning the flames of hate. we need to resist him and need to defeat him at the polls. >> reporter: and, of course, that was in response to a question about the role that president trump has played in acts like what we saw in new zealand. jay inslee not afraid to go there. you mentioned that seth moulton is here, bill deblasio is here. both names not officially in the race but being talked about as possible contenders. it will be interesting to see how they make their pitch unofficially and if u changing them. we'll see how these could be candidates end up talking to new
hampshire voters. >> i'm sure you have your running shoes on. we call you a road warrior for good reason. thank you. joining mena vide jamali former fbi double agent and candidate for city council in seattle. welcome back to the broadcast. let's talk about what the president said. when he wassed about white nationalism, here it is. >> last month, more than 76,000 illegal migrants arrived at our border. we're on track for a million. people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is, drugs and criminals and people. >> so when you look at the new zealand suspect's an apparent manifesto, he was referring to immigrants innocence europe as invaders. was it simply a poor word choice from the president or do you think there was cause and effect? >> i there there was cause and effect. here in seattle and washington,
we've seen a dramatic jump in reported hate crimes from 17% national average increase to a 32% increase here in seattle. it's shocking. so clearly there's a national and frankly an international trend that shows a rise of night nationalism not just here in the u.s. but abroad. certainly a very, very big problem. i think that mart of the context we have to consider is when we think of terrorism, we think of people that look unfortunately like me, brown people that may come from islamic countries. reality is the terrorism can be per pet yeaed by almost anyone of any ethnicity or creed. white nationalism would fall into that construct. >> look at the new zealand saluter, absolutely. you have the president downplaying the threat posed by white nationalists. there's a bulletin from the fbi and the homeland security department says these groups had carried out more attacks than any other extremist group over the past 16 years and they were
likely to carry out more. how do you square that? >> well, that's a great question and something we've been tackling candidly since september 11th. if we go back to the pulse nightclub shooter, this is someone known by the fbi. and there's -- we're a country of laws. people have constitutional rights and a right to due process. you've got free speech. you can't just arrest someone for thought crime even for vial words. if i can throw in a personal thing, ever since running for office, i've been the recipient of death threats and had to work with local police and understanding where that will legal line, where someone can espouse hate. that is not necessarily a crime. the fbi is reporting this. the question here is, what tools can they use, what tools can local law enforcement use to go after these people. the answer unfortunately is not until they commit a crime. >> when you get those hate threats and death threats are they coming from people that would be within the district, that city council you are
running for in seattle? >> you don't know. this is the other problem with the internet. and there's a level of anonymity. people think there's a level of anonymity. the police and fbi can reach back and look into it. unfortunately in my case, it was last weekend when i was on msnbc these came on. the reality is, this is a scourge that's going to happen. even reaching out and telling someone that you wish them bodily harm in some cases that doesn't necessarily rise to the level of criminal of criminality. we have perhaps a gap in our laws and it's not that the fbi and local law enforcement don't want to do anything. we are still a nation of laws. people have a presumption of innocence. >> this is horrific. the new zealand shooting suspect appears to have streamlined 17 minutes of the first mosque shooting on social media. do these platforms do enough to curb hate speech? what more can be done? i think it was described as once
they were trying to go after these videos that had been put up, it was like a whack-a-mole game. they were popping.everywhere. >> we have an expectation of freedom of speech. when you sign up for any internet service providerer or twitter, you agree to terms of giving a clear license for any of these places to suspend accounts, suspend anything that vi lays terms of service. you don't have an expectation of freedom of speech on a privately owned platform. they should do a lot more. it's a challenge in that they're using algorithms. t they're doing actually a pretty good job. >> naveed, i hope safe travels and go forth and good luck with everything. . the political undertones to the college admission scandal and how washington is responding
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including felicity hoff mun and lori lock lynn. big mar had this to say about how the scandal is perceived. >> there's a real liberal face on this scandal. we don't know all the people involved and i'm sure there were some conservatives. but it looks like coastal elites, have you ever wondered why so many people, how could you vote for trump or why do they hate democrats so much? this is exactly why. >> joining me now is peter emerson, he's worked in dlee democratic administrations. michael singleton, host for vox media and ashley pratt, republican women for progress, also a contributor. peter, what did you think of that clip we just played? is that fair? >> yes, it's more than fair he's got it it absolutely right. the only thing i disagree he's calling it a scandal. she's are felony charges for
bribery, fraud, tax evasion and with the lawsuit just file ford grand theft. he's absolutely right. democrats have to give trump slow theers a reason to changing to let go of donald trump even though millions have been punished and hurt by his policies. 2016 i heard time and time again, trump can't win. i'm beginning to hear that again. woe to democrats who ever say that. >> shermichael, you have politicians weighing in on this. here's what is democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke said about the scandal. let's watch here. >> there are people in this country so wealthy they can pay millions of dollars to cheat on s.a.t. exams, to get their kid into school and yet there are millions of americans who can't put together $1200 to pay for tuition at a community college in one of our communities. this is symptomatic of a much bigger problem. >> so responses like that,
shermichael, will that resonate with republicans? is there an opportunity to try to bring the political divide when it comes to the issues around education and affordability? >> i think so, alex. for quite some time, wealth in this country has allowed a lot of things. it allows individuals to mitigate the distresses of being poor. why so many people are so outraged by this is because of that distress. meaning if you are someone under privilege, then you will more than likely have a more difficult time at success. that's be honest. i would venture to say if many of us were in a similar position of wealth, influence or power and had an opportunity to some kind of way open a door or pathway that was somewhat unusual for our kids to continue what we will deem successful, we would perhaps try to remove ourselves from any legal jeopardy. most people would attempt to do the same thing. what this showcases is there is obviously some major issues in
our country as it reits to the notion of equality. right? the notion of does a fair education, is that true for every single person in this country regardless of what their limitations may be and what this indicates is that is not the case. i think that's why again so many people are looking at this and saying what about that poor child who may have all the intellectual capabilities to do very well at said elite institution in comparison to the wealthy child who may not have the same phukets faculties. if we were all in a similar position, i think many people woman add very similarly. >> in terms of the cultural fallout, we have lori lock lynn, her career has already taken a huge hit. she's been dropped by the hallmark channel. it pulled an episode of one of her shows set to air tomorrow. netflix will not be inviting her
back for "fuller house" either. the response seems to fall in line with the zero tolerance policy we've seen in politics lately. is it justified in this case? >> i think we need to wait to see more facts there. obviously, there's going to be more that unfolds by way of this. i think the cultural perception is what bill maher was saying. elites get away with some of these things. i think there is a penalty and price she's going to have to pay for this type of stuff and some of the others involved in this too or other high profile names who i'm sure will take a hit in some ways. i want to point to something not mentioned here yet. there's a lot of homeless students, a lot of underprivileged students who really do struggle when it comes to getting into schools of higher education whether it be a technical or trade school or a four-year college or even a two-year university. there was a story that came out around the same time as this was
breaking about a formerly homeless student in new jersey who got into 17 colleges on his own. that's the type of stuff we should be talking about and talking about the systemic problems around getting into higher education, different types of universities. whether they be trade schools or four or two-year colleges. that should be encouraged. we should tell students of every gender, every denomination, every type of race, you can get into these universities and we're going to make it easier for you to get in there and remove the barriers that are there. it doesn't matter if you're wealthy, it doesn't matter if you get the highest score on your s.a.t. sz. these types of things provide challenges for those underprivilege pds. that should be where the conversation goes next rather than focusing on the elite and wealthy and looking at the systemic problems and road barriers to higher education. >> i got to say, i'm so glad you brought up the story of that man, accomplished bright young
man. i'm proud that nbc news did a big profile and covered that story. i'm glad we got the word out there. peter, i want your response to all of this and want to ask you, how we got here outside of legal actions. there are so many inequities that seem to be baked into the college admissions process. why has nothing been done before? >> money, money, money. it's follow the moin. all you need to do is follow the corruption, contamination from the ncaa all the way down to college coaches getting paid millions of dollars more than the presidents, to the corporations putting billions of dollars into the schools. the millions and millions of dollars of alumni dollars that have power. it's follow the money just like with donald trump. >> is it the kind of thing, ser michael according to a new article in "the wall street journal," lawmakers are debating this and might want to remove the tax deductions that donors receive, that kind of thing.
would that make a differences? >> i think it could. alex, fundamentally if we were all a bit more egalitarian how we perceive the idea of equality and justice, we couldn't have to have this conversation at all. when you think about many variables that impact people whether they're poor, hispanic or african-american but poor in comparison to individuals who don't have to deal with many of the hurdles of those individuals, you see why said aid gaps exist, right? soapy think as we sort of discuss this idea of wealth and privilege and the doors and access that allows, my hope is we don't forget the underlying notion of equality and justice for all people whether that's economically, educationally, whether that's access to opportunities. that is what is this is overall dialogue and conversation needs to be rooted in. >> well, you all three make great points. i hope we pick up the conversations appropriately. thank you so much. coming up next, from the
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stabilizers were tilted upward which then pushed the plane downward." pilots battles the automated system in an effort to prevent that plane from diving. joining me now aviation analyst and former 737 pilot john cox. john, big welcome to you here. because i understand that you were privately briefed on this evidence this week that the stabilizers were reportedly tilted upward. what could that tell us? >> well, after being in the business for a long time, the sources i wouldn't say that i was privately briefed. i would say i was able to put together some information from some people who have knowledge of what's going on. they found the jack screw in a knows down position. and that means that the stabilizer was trying to force the nose down that would have caused the pilots to have to exert a lot of force opt control column trying to hold the nose up till they could get the stabilizer trim repositioned.
>> okay. as a pilot i know su flew a different 737. the software now with, how different is it now versus what you were flying? if this situation had happened to you, could you have fixed the situation? i mean, how would you have done that? >> well, we first -- we don't know exactly what caused that stabilizer to move. there are several things that could. the pilots themselves could move it. the autopilot is capable. the speed trim system and also the m cas subject to a lot of speculation and scrutiny. the whole thing is if the pilots realize that the trim is moving or is out of position, there are two switches that can be activated that will cut the power off to the electric system. and at that point, you can manually adjust the trim. this has been this way in the airplane since 1967. the difference in the max is the
m cas system can move the stabilizer and if there are other issues such as the stall warning system going off as was in the case in lion air, it may not be easy for the pilot to determine that. we need to find out exactly what happened in ethiopia. we're hopeful that information will be with us very soon. >> this whole software system, is that what is fully to blame here, john? or as has been suggested by some reporting this week that there's been a lack of training for some pilots when it comes to these specific planes, that they weren't considered to be differentiated enough from other 737 models to warrant what is it, like a month off the job that pilots have to spend in training? >> well, alex, we don't know yet what caused the accident. there's been a lot of speculation. till we see the recorders we're
not going to know. it's a bit speculative. the differences between the next generation 737s, the 600, 700, 00, 800, 00 included a change in the flight recorder known as mcas. in this case, they bare will he made it aware to the pilots because they felt as though should it malfunction it would look to the pilots as if it was a stabilizer trim problem and they're already trained to deal with that. that's where the quell of training comes from. >> bottom line, before i let you go, would you be most comfortable if these planes were all grounded till the software update scheduled for next month takes place? >> i think that's going to happen one way or the other. i'm going to be most comfortable when we find out what happened to the ethiopian airplane and see what will commonalities if
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the crowded field of 2020 contenders is bringing a wild range of new economic ideas. here are a few of them. >> i want to make sure we're tough on trade. we hold other countries accountable, but we do it in an intelligent and effective way. >> you got a thousand dollars deposited into an account and every year of your life you get upwards of $2,000 deposited depending on your income alone. >> for families that are making less than $100,000 a year, they receive a tax credit of up to $6,000 a year. >> do you believe that google, amazon and facebook all are monopolies? >> they behave like monopolists and that's a big part of the reason they need to be broken apart. >> joining me now, economist stephanie kelten, a professor.
stephanie was an economic adviser on the bernie sanders 2016 campaign with a big welcome to you. some of these 2020 economic proposals here. first up, we just heard senator cory booker advocating giving newborns a savings act. we have senator kamala harris who wants a tax cut for middle income families. are there any red flags there for you? >> no, not really. i think it's a pretty exciting and in many ways refreshing to see democrats come out really swinging for the fences with some big, bold proposal that people haven't talked about in the past. so no real red flags for me. >> okay. idealistically completely understandable from your position as being an economist, paying for these things, does that at all worry you? >> so right now there is a pretty big debate going on among economists about the extent to which candidates should commit to paying for any of their
various programs. for example, paul crudeman had a column recently where he sort of said there are certain things that candidates ought to commit to paying for and he thought maybe medicare for all might fall in that basket whereas something like a green new deal he argued much of what's in the green new deal could probably be accomplished without the need for any new taxes. so it's very much a live debate within the economics profession. >> i'll get to the green new deal but you brought up medicare for all. there's some studies that say it could cost $32 trillion over ten years? >> you got to remember that that number is smaller than the number that we're going to end up spending any way if we keep the system that we have currently in place. so when people -- i know it sounds like a big number, but when people talk about transitioning to a cheaper more efficient form of health care delivery, it's really important that we'll spend less than we're going to spend if we don't make changes. >> there are those who suggest we cannot guarantee the same
kind of quality if we have this massive quantity, if you will. i know for a fact, i've got family that lives in michigan and they talk about how there are canadians that come over the border all the time because they want to have their medical services done here in the united states. >> that goes both directions. there are plenty of americans who travel outside of the u.s. to get health care. there are a handful of canadians, of course, who don't want to wait as long as they might otherwise wait. maybe instead of waiting a couple of weeks or three weeks, they can come over here, some if they're willing to pay for private care, they can come across the border and do that. that's a very tiny handful of probably well off people who are just looking to expedite what it is they're trying to get done. >> what about senator elizabeth warren and the 2% wealth tax she's proposed on those with a net worth greater than $50 million. she then wants to use the profit from that tax cut to fund the universal child care. what's your take on that idea? >> so this is interesting because i think what senator
warren is doing is she's really keyed in on something that democrats have started to talk about in the last few years, especially, which is the growing gap between the people at the very top and virtually everybody else. what's really motivating this legislation is a desire to do something about the concentration of wealth in this country, which has reached levels that we haven't seen since the 1920s and the belief there is that greater and greater concentrations of income and wealth in a smaller and smaller handful of individuals is not just bad for the way that our economy functions but it's bad for the way that our democracy functions, and i think that's partly what's behind the desire to look at something like a wealth tax. >> okay. i do want to get to the green new deal. how feasible is it, stephanie, and is it possible to put a number on exactly how much it would cost? >> i don't -- i don't have a number. i've seen lots of numbers thrown out there. i think until you get a clearer sense of exactly what is going
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